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Posted on: March 07, 2018 @ 11:12 AM
kayrd
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I´ve connected an XF7 and MOXF8 with MIDI cables.
I´m using my XF7 to change voices and perfomances on my MOXF8 with the help of Master Mode, zones and MSB/LSB and program change.
It works well. When pressing the next master on XF7, I´m changing voices on my MOXF8. Perfect.

As you might guess, I´m using both keyboards when playing live, so I only want Master Mode to change voices/performances and NOT play the sounds on my MOXF8 from my XF7.

I know it´s not a big thing. I can just use both keyboards separate and change voices by pressing INC/DEC-buttons for instance, but live a want to use as little time changing sounds as I can, and live performance-focus be used more with the music and audience, and not to much time messing around with the keyboards.

Hopefully I´ve explained myself well :-)

kayrd

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Posted on: March 07, 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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kayrd - 07 March 2018 11:12 AM

[...] I´m using my XF7 to change voices and perfomances on my MOXF8 with the help of Master Mode, zones and MSB/LSB and program change.
It works well. When pressing the next master on XF7, I´m changing voices on my MOXF8. Perfect.

As you might guess, I´m using both keyboards when playing live, so I only want Master Mode to change voices/performances and NOT play the sounds on my MOXF8 from my XF7. [...]

For the Zone that selects the MOXF Voice, set the Note Limits so Note-On events won’t be triggered.

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Posted on: March 07, 2018 @ 11:07 PM
kayrd
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Of course… I should have figured out that myself.
Thanx 5pinDIN!

kayrd

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Posted on: March 08, 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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kayrd - 07 March 2018 11:07 PM

Of course… I should have figured out that myself.
Thanx 5pinDIN!

kayrd

You’re welcome! I’m happy to have provided a little nudge in the right direction.

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Posted on: March 08, 2018 @ 11:09 AM
kayrd
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My first issue is resolved.

Now I can´t change between voices and performances on the MOXF with MSB LSB and program change on Master mode on the XF7.
When I´ve changed manually to voice mode on my MOXF I can change from program changes on my XF7.

I reckon this is possible?? Say I´m playing a voice on my MOXF8 on my first song, but on the next song I´ve made a performance.

I seem to have problems with changing from mode to mode on the MOXF8 with Master Mode on my XF7…

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Posted on: March 08, 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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kayrd - 08 March 2018 11:09 AM

My first issue is resolved.

OK.

 

kayrd - 08 March 2018 11:09 AM

Now I can´t change between voices and performances on the MOXF with MSB LSB and program change on Master mode on the XF7.
When I´ve changed manually to voice mode on my MOXF I can change from program changes on my XF7.

I reckon this is possible?? Say I´m playing a voice on my MOXF8 on my first song, but on the next song I´ve made a performance.

I seem to have problems with changing from mode to mode on the MOXF8 with Master Mode on my XF7…

Switching modes requires sending a MIDI SysEx Parameter Change message.

See page 123 of the MOXF Data List (http://download.yamaha.com/file/60483), beneath the Bank Select table.

To create a Mode change message, see page 121, (3-6-3-1) NATIVE PARAMETER CHANGE, MODE CHANGE, for the general form of the message, and page 125, MIDI PARAMETER CHANGE TABLE (MODE CHANGE), for the address and data bytes.

That results in a message of this form…
F0 43 10 7F 1C 00 0A 00 01 mm F7
...where “mm” is:
00 Voice mode
01 Performance mode
02 Song (Mixing) mode
03 Pattern (Mixing) mode
04 Master mode

The message to select Performance mode would therefore be…
F0 43 10 7F 1C 00 0A 00 01 01 F7

The XF could send such a message via a sequence. However, this approach is probably more complicated than you might want to deal with.

An alternative to switching from Voices to Performances could be to keep the MOXF in Performance mode. In place of the Voices, you could set up Performances having just a single Part, the one Voice you would otherwise play in Voice mode.

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Posted on: March 15, 2018 @ 05:20 AM
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I don’t send midi changes from one board to another, as i perform single board.  But I do what 5pin suggested - I do all in Performance mode, if I need just one Voice, I put that one voice in a Performance.  That way I can arrange all Performances to the Set list and just stay in Perf mode through the gig and sequence thru 1, 2, 3, .. much easier on a dark stage for me.

Another option is you can assign each V or P you need to a Master mode location - Voice 1 = MM location 1, Perf 1.= MM location 2, etc.  Then you could just stay in master mode throughout the gig and send the program changes without a mode change.

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