I’ve got everything down except this part in the article, Moving a MOX6/MOX8 SONG into a Cubase Project.

“2) Transfer the sequence from the MOX6/MOX8 in real time. Synchronize the MIDI clocks (Cubase as master, MOX as slave), open a MIDI Track and run it through once. (This method will be described in a separate article).”

Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I’m a little lost. Is this as simple as pressing record once the midi is dropped into a track?

microjoes - 22 January 2014 04:01 PM

I’ve got everything down except this part in the article, Moving a MOX6/MOX8 SONG into a Cubase Project.

“2) Transfer the sequence from the MOX6/MOX8 in real time. Synchronize the MIDI clocks (Cubase as master, MOX as slave), open a MIDI Track and run it through once. (This method will be described in a separate article).”

Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I’m a little lost. Is this as simple as pressing record once the midi is dropped into a track?

Hi,

two “tricky” things to do. The first is, setup Cubase to be the master in clock sync. How to achieve this depends pretty much on the version of Cubase you’re using.

The second ist, that usually you would create a MIDI track and dedicate it to a midi channel. Here you also create a MIDI track, but you’d set it to listen to “ALL” midi channels. Then you’d record the song to this one track and seperate the channels later to different tracks, Cubase has a “function” to do that for you.

This is the principle. Maybe you’d tell us what Cubase version you’re using, then we can dig deeper.

Best wishes,
Hank

Thanks for the reply!

I’m using cubase AI6. The version that comes with the MOX8.

I am a little confused as to why I record both midi and real time audio. I know that midi is just data but wouldn’t the midi data already call out all of the notes and effects and pull the voice data from the MOX? The way I understood it was to record the midi data and the audio together. Or is it a blank audio track is written to by the midi?

Forgive me if I sound like an idiot. I really just want to move my songs as I hear them to cubase for further processing. 20 years of playing the piano but really no experience with this aspect of it.

microjoes - 23 January 2014 03:59 AM

Thanks for the reply!

Forgive me if I sound like an idiot. [...].

So sorry, no need for you to apologize....it’s me who’s the idiot! As i always use MIDI recording, I assumed you would do the same without thinking any further....

Of course you can directly record just the audio, no need to record MIDI than. And no, you can’t record both at once (at least as far as I know).

Within Cubase, if you want to record MIDI, you’d have to use a MIDI track, if audio is wanted, you need an audio track. Both signal types go through the USB cable that connects the MoX with your computer.

Thus, if you’d just want to record audio, the question remains on how to sync, right ?

Best wishes,
Hank

Wel I’ve figured out the audio part but being that my objective is to mix/edit in cubase I need to work with midi correct? So am I correct to record the midi real time and then mix down?

microjoes - 23 January 2014 04:22 AM

Wel I’ve figured out the audio part but being that my objective is to mix/edit in cubase I need to work with midi correct? So am I correct to record the midi real time and then mix down?

Yeah, at least that’s the way I do it. But: I just do it ‘cause I never got used to the advanced techniques of audio editing, and I know there is many of it supported by Cubase!

For me it’s easier to record MIDI, edit, change, add, delete etc. And as soon as the result “fit’s my needs”, i (maybe) record the result into an audio track.

One more thing why I prefer MIDI: it’s so compact! I mean that a MIDI file is made by a few hundred bytes, an audio file maybe several megabytes! I know, storage is no more a topic today. But backup still is, if not limited by storage then maybe limited by the time slices you want to waiste for backing up your data. But this is my personal meaning.....sorry if I left the track :-)

Ok, let me know how I can help you further.

Best regards,
Hank

Thank you!

Well I want to move a song to cubase using my midi data. Extract the data and get the voices in the song to correspond with the midi data so that I have a usable project in cubase which I can work with.

What I do. Record in the MOXF sequencer - Export it to USB stick as an SMF.

Import into Cubase
Cubase splits the midi (voices) into channels - I edit/clean out the MIDI.

At some point I always transfer the MIDI to separate audio tracks.
If you want to compress/add FX etc to specific voices of your song.

MeMyselfAndI64 - 23 January 2014 05:06 AM

What I do. Record in the MOXF sequencer - Export it to USB stick as an SMF.

Import into Cubase
Cubase splits the midi (voices) into channels - I edit/clean out the MIDI.

That’s one way, the other is to record the MIDI data directly into Cubase.

Go to Cubase -> Project -> Sync.-settings

Select “MIDI Timecode” as timecode. This gives you the chance to select a MIDI input as a source, set it to “All input”.

Check “MC Master Active” is checked and that the Input / Output is set properly.

On your MoX press “Utility”, F6 (MIDI), SF3 (Sync) and check that MIDI sync is set to “inernal”.

On your MoX, press “Quick Setup” and chosse number 1 (DAW record).

Now in Cubase create a MIDI track that listens to all channels, as written in my first answer. Then simply record the song to this one track. If you’re finished, there’s a MIDI function (right mouse clicks context menu) like “dissolve parts...” (sorry, I have a german Cubase version).

Hope this helps you.

Best wishes,
Hank

MeMyselfAndI64 - 23 January 2014 05:06 AM

What I do. Record in the MOXF sequencer - Export it to USB stick as an SMF.

Import into Cubase
Cubase splits the midi (voices) into channels - I edit/clean out the MIDI.

At some point I always transfer the MIDI to separate audio tracks.
If you want to compress/add FX etc to specific voices of your song.

I guess that’s what I’m trying to do. I understand how to dissolve the tracks. It’s what to do with the midi file once I drag it into cubase.

Hank_Buchek - 23 January 2014 05:19 AM

MeMyselfAndI64 - 23 January 2014 05:06 AM

What I do. Record in the MOXF sequencer - Export it to USB stick as an SMF.

Import into Cubase
Cubase splits the midi (voices) into channels - I edit/clean out the MIDI.

That’s one way, the other is to record the MIDI data directly into Cubase.

Go to Cubase -> Project -> Sync.-settings

Select “MIDI Timecode” as timecode. This gives you the chance to select a MIDI input as a source, set it to “All input”.

Check “MC Master Active” is checked and that the Input / Output is set properly.

On your MoX press “Utility”, F6 (MIDI), SF3 (Sync) and check that MIDI sync is set to “inernal”.

On your MoX, press “Quick Setup” and chosse number 1 (DAW record).

Now in Cubase create a MIDI track that listens to all channels, as written in my first answer. Then simply record the song to this one track. If you’re finished, there’s a MIDI function (right mouse clicks context menu) like “dissolve parts...” (sorry, I have a german Cubase version).

Hope this helps you.

Best wishes,
Hank

Thank You Hank

So once I’ve done that and dissolved parts into individual tracks will there be audio or do I mix down after to get the voices called up with the midi?

After you DISSOLVE PARTS the MIDI data will be separated into individual Tracks by MIDI channel. This is only so you can view/edit the data. It is still just MIDI data… (Coded messages)

You can setup Cubase to send this MIDI data to the MOX6/MOX8 Editor Standalone/VST which will route this MIDI data back to your MOX requesting it return AUDIO through a special signal path. This special signal path is called Virtual Studio Technology… Which allows audio to enter your Cubase program through a virtual audio lane…

Basically allowing you to hear (monitor) the audio that will be rendered (written) to your computer’s hard drive in a process Cubase calls “Export Audio Mixdown”.

Are you setup to use the MOX6/MOX8 Editor Standalone/VST?

If so:
Before you DISSOLVE PARTS, set the MIDI OUT = “MOX6/MOX8 VST - MIDI In”
This way it will automatically assign all individual tracks to the MOX VST routing scenario.

You will see the MIDI track activity meters (sending) MIDI data to the MOX VST, the MOX will generate Audio, which you will see RETURNING to Cubase in the VST INSTRUMENT Folder’s MOX VST “Audio lane”.

Once you have established this routing, you can process your MOX VST signal same as you would any soft synth, and use EXPORT > Audio Mixdown same as you would any soft synths (with one difference, because the MOX is physically external to the computer, the audio data is generated in full fidelity glorious, real time)!

Hope that helps.

Are you using the MOX VST?
In order to render Audio to your DAW this routing makes it quick and easy…

Let us know.

Bad_Mister - 23 January 2014 05:48 AM

After you DISSOLVE PARTS the MIDI data will be separated into individual Tracks by MIDI channel. This is only so you can view/edit the data. It is still just MIDI data… (Coded messages)

You can setup Cubase to send this MIDI data to the MOX6/MOX8 Editor Standalone/VST which will route this MIDI data back to your MOX requesting it return AUDIO through a special signal path. This special signal path is called Virtual Studio Technology… Which allows audio to enter your Cubase program through a virtual audio lane…

Basically allowing you to hear (monitor) the audio that will be rendered (written) to your computer’s hard drive in a process Cubase calls “Export Audio Mixdown”.

Are you setup to use the MOX6/MOX8 Editor Standalone/VST?

If so:
Before you DISSOLVE PARTS, set the MIDI OUT = “MOX6/MOX8 VST - MIDI In”
This way it will automatically assign all individual tracks to the MOX VST routing scenario.

You will see the MIDI track activity meters (sending) MIDI data to the MOX VST, the MOX will generate Audio, which you will see RETURNING to Cubase in the VST INSTRUMENT Folder’s MOX VST “Audio lane”.

Once you have established this routing, you can process your MOX VST signal same as you would any soft synth, and use EXPORT > Audio Mixdown same as you would any soft synths (with one difference, because the MOX is physically external to the computer, the audio data is generated in full fidelity glorious, real time)!

Hope that helps.

Are you using the MOX VST?
In order to render Audio to your DAW this routing makes it quick and easy…

Let us know.

Thank you, yes I am using the Yamaha VST