I just had a quick look through the OM and the RM and the Synth Parameters manual - and unless I am missing it somehow, there is no way to save the status (apart from zeroing the volume -not suitable for the task at hand) of the 4 parts in a performance.

Here is the setup:

I have four different instruments assigned to a performance for playing when using an audio backing track. One is active while the others are muted. It is set this way so I can dynamically change patches during a song, without said patch change glitching the audio coming in to the A/D inputs.

Now the mute status is NOT saved, and if I zero the volumes of the three parts not being used , it means a mad scramble to not only select the part to play, but to then quickly get the volume level correct for the part to be played - not that easy when singing and playing the song!

As the Motif series cannot save a “panel snapshot” as it were (like other synths of this type) of all switches and sliders, it would seem that what should be a simple thing is not possible.

Does anyone have any tips on this? And I have already looked at using the AF buttons - but I really cannot see how they can be applied to all four voices, and in any case for some the AF switch is vital to the voice (example: Leslie settings for organs to name but one). And there are only two!

And on a side note, on the MOXF panel under the main display there are buttons marked in White - that have the legend Assignable Switch? I mean, they SAY assignable, but what can be assigned, if anything??

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 06:00 PM

I just had a quick look through the OM and the RM and the Synth Parameters manual - and unless I am missing it somehow, there is no way to save the status (apart from zeroing the volume -not suitable for the task at hand) of the 4 parts in a performance.

Here is the setup:

I have four different instruments assigned to a performance for playing when using an audio backing track. One is active while the others are muted. It is set this way so I can dynamically change patches during a song, without said patch change glitching the audio coming in to the A/D inputs.

Now the mute status is NOT saved, and if I zero the volumes of the three parts not being used , it means a mad scramble to not only select the part to play, but to then quickly get the volume level correct for the part to be played - not that easy when singing and playing the song!

As the Motif series cannot save a “panel snapshot” as it were (like other synths of this type) of all switches and sliders, it would seem that what should be a simple thing is not possible.

Does anyone have any tips on this? And I have already looked at using the AF buttons - but I really cannot see how they can be applied to all four voices, and in any case for some the AF switch is vital to the voice (example: Leslie settings for organs to name but one). And there are only two!

And on a side note, on the MOXF panel under the main display there are buttons marked in White - that have the legend Assignable Switch? I mean, they SAY assignable, but what can be assigned, if anything??

I think Bad_Mister already touched on this in his November 14, 2013 @ 08:09 PM post in this thread:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/470154/

See the MOXF Reference Manual, page 77, for one application of the [SF1]-[SF6] Assignable Switches to Scenes. Then take a look at pages 97-98 concerning Song Scenes.

Yes I know -(it was my thread ;) ) However I felt it better to start a new thread as it really was nothing to do with the original topic and the AF buttons as he alluded to, do not accomplish the task at hand, well that I could see in any case.

Can song scenes be used with a Performance? I sort of assumed they were all just for midi files and playback?

hmmm...thx 5pin, your reply gave me more pause for thought - I can achieve what I need by simply using Song Mode - I can set up 4 or five instruments and then change between them dynamically simply by pressing a different channel, and only one plays at any one time!

Don’t know how I will go with those tunes that need a split though (eg a comping piano left hand, solo guitar or sax or whatever on the right)

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:27 PM

...Can song scenes be used with a Performance? I sort of assumed they were all just for midi files and playback?

You’ll find that much the machine is designed to do while sequencing and recording is very adaptable to use in live performance!

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:39 PM

...Don’t know how I will go with those tunes that need a split though (eg a comping piano left hand, solo guitar or sax or whatever on the right)

You can set up PARTS in a SONG or PATTERN MIXING on the same midi channel to sound together, and control where on the keyboard each part plays by use of Note Limits.

In the final 1/3 of the Article linked below, you can see how this is done.  You have up to 16 PARTS to ‘play with’ here, plus the A/D input!

This Article contains a lot of useful information you can apply to glitch-free live performance PART switching...whether you want to switch between PARTS that sound alone or are layered or split on the same midi channel to sound with other PARTS simultaneously.

Thx cmayhle - good info I will certainly check it out…

Great article - yep this will do the job nicely! And I have already checked that changing between parts has no effect on the audio coming in to the A/D part.

Happy days - thx again!

I combined two of your posts, because the replies are related…

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:27 PM

Yes I know -(it was my thread ;) )

Yes, I knew it was your thread. :-)
 

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:27 PM

[...]However I felt it better to start a new thread as it really was nothing to do with the original topic and the AF buttons as he alluded to, do not accomplish the task at hand, well that I could see in any case.

I thought that the mention of Song Scenes, the sequencer, and “Couldn’t be that you just didn’t find a method to do what you want to accomplish?” were relevant. :-)
 

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:27 PM

Can song scenes be used with a Performance? I sort of assumed they were all just for midi files and playback?

Scenes are features of Sequences (Song or Pattern), but they allow you to take a “snapshot” of certain things that you might find useful.
 

pax_eterna - 14 November 2013 08:39 PM

hmmm...thx 5pin, your reply gave me more pause for thought - I can achieve what I need by simply using Song Mode - I can set up 4 or five instruments and then change between them dynamically simply by pressing a different channel, and only one plays at any one time!

Don’t know how I will go with those tunes that need a split though (eg a comping piano left hand, solo guitar or sax or whatever on the right)

A Performance can easily be copied to a Song.

thx 5pin - the only disagreement I have is that imo it did indeed need a new thread as it was a completely different topic, only covered in passing - [and then a tad cryptically ;-)] and by having it in its own thread it will make it easier for anyone else searching for solutions to a similar situation.

I now have the JM MOXF editor suite, so it will make all this work so much easier and quicker :-)

Cheers

pax_eterna - 15 November 2013 08:20 AM

thx 5pin - the only disagreement I have is that imo it did indeed need a new thread as it was a completely different topic, only covered in passing

I didn’t mean to imply that a separate thread was unnecessary - I was only trying to bring certain information to your attention.
 

pax_eterna -

- [and then a tad cryptically ;-)]

I’d call it “subtle”. :-)  I’ll sometimes do that too, when I think the person I’m replying to doesn’t need to have all the details spelled out.
 

pax_eterna -

and by having it in its own thread it will make it easier for anyone else searching for solutions to a similar situation.

Again, no disagreement.
 

pax_eterna -

I now have the JM MOXF editor suite, so it will make all this work so much easier and quicker :-)

Please let us know know it goes.

Cheers m8 - yeah from our private correspondence I knew you were a good guy here. And sorry for not saying it, but I did appreciate the reinforcement of the ideas raised in the other thread :-)

LOL - subtle it is then!

I will do that re the editors - it is just sooo much easier using the PC - especially with the “economical” screen size on the MOXf ;-)