Hi Bad_Mister,
remember our discussion in this thread ?

You told me to create new topic if you hasn’t answer within a week. So I’m writing new :)

The question is:

Is it possible to control Motif Rack XS with MIDI Controller such as AKAI MPK 61 just as real MOTIF XS can do with factory keyboard. I mean all functions on right panel such as arpeggio on/off, part mute, part select, arpeggio hold and of course slider functionality to control volume on each instrument.

This can be done if four part layer is switched OFF, but in this case only one instrument can be played, because MIDI Keyboard send messages to one channel.

Thank you!

Thank you for the reminder. Here is what I found:

You can control the Motif-Rack XS’s individual PARTS even when the “LAYER 1-4 PARTS” switch is set to ON (meaning the PARTS are set to the same basic receive channel) via MIDI if you can program System Exclusive messages from your controller. You will be able to control the following:

PART MUTE - by sending a Sysex message for PART “VOLUME”
ARP ON/OFF - by sending a Sysex message for PART “ARP SWITCH”
ARP HOLD - by sending a Sysex message for PART “ARP HOLD”

PART MUTE: - this also can be used to control the individual VOLUME of each PART.
F0 43 10 7F 03 37 pp 0E dd F7
Where “pp” is the PART 00-03 (PARTS 1-4)
where “dd” is the Volume, 00 for MUTE; 01-7F for ON volume 1-127

PART ARP SWITCH
F0 43 10 7F 03 38 pp 00 dd F7
where “pp” is the PART 00-03 (PARTS 1-4)
where “dd” is the switch: 00 = OFF and 01 = ON

PART ARP HOLD
F0 43 10 7F 03 38 pp 07 dd F7
where “pp” is the PART 00-03 (PARTS 1-4)
where “dd” is the HOLD switch status: 00 = sync off, 01 = off, 02 = on

Thank you!!!

Very much!!

Unfortunately my keyboard AKAI MPK-61 does not support sysex messages :(

Is there any keyboard controller that has that capability?
NOT using the sequencer, I mean within a patch, setup , combination, etc.  for live use

fbarbin - 05 December 2010 02:15 AM

Is there any keyboard controller that has that capability?
NOT using the sequencer, I mean within a patch, setup , combination, etc.  for live use

You should check M-Audio Axio Pro keyboard controllers. I’m using the first version of this (Axiom25) and it has very good responsible keys and a lot of possibilities for control. New version go further with some automatic setting features to most DAWs. I’m not intend to be a M-Audio promoter (I’m not working for them), but for that money this controller should be respected.

Alex

OK, here I’m again :)
Now I have midi controller that supports sysex messages.

Now I have following problem:
About MUTE issue. Mute works but how can I do unmute? In this way I need to level up volume but that is not an option because volume level is different for every part in every performance.

And I have another question. How can i change multies from controller just like if I turn category search button? I need to change multies up and down and also switch to specific multie. For example user bank 2, multi - 63.

Thanks again in advance!!!

How can i change multies from controller just like if I turn category search button? I need to change multies up and down and also switch to specific multie. For example user bank 2, multi - 63

Bank Select MSB = 063
Bank Select LSB = 068
Multi #63 = 062

Thanks again!

What about MUTE issue? Controlling volume to mute is not an option, because you can’t do “unmute”.
I need real mute/unmute.

Is there any way???

best regards!

I need real mute/unmute.

There is no official MUTE Control Change command in MIDI spec. The keyboard XS does this by defeating the PART’s audio connection to the output.

I don’t know your particular keyboard controller - but if you can send cc011 value of 0 - this will act as a mute.
And cc011 value of 127 - will return the volume to its preset level.

This is not a perfect solution (the only perfect solution is get the keyboard Motif XS/XF) but you can tell certain PARTS to ignore Expression… while others can be set to receive it. It is all or nothing.

Within the MULTI you can set the RECEIVE SWITCH parameter for each PART, customizing what controllers it will receive or ignore. Controller 11 is relative Volume (Expression)… Controller 7 is absolute Volume (main Channel Volume). So if the PARTs Volume is set to say, “96” - that means controller 7 is 96. It also means that Controller 11’s maximum (127) will equal 96 and work down from that point and never exceed the main channel volume.

You will not be able to individual MUTE control but if you need to bring in and out a PART, this may work for you… otherwise I’m not sure there is a solution (other than the integrated interface of the Motif XS/XF keyboard).

Bad_Mister - 01 December 2010 02:35 PM

Thank you for the reminder. Here is what I found:

You can control the Motif-Rack XS’s individual PARTS even when the “LAYER 1-4 PARTS” switch is set to ON (meaning the PARTS are set to the same basic receive channel) via MIDI if you can program System Exclusive messages from your controller. You will be able to control the following:

Peace, I am not looking for those types of things I am having an issue with just triggering the MOtif XS rack midi with my MPK 88 midi controller, could you help me out?

it will not trigger my Motif XS rack. Now my M Audio 25 will trigger, so it’s not the Motif it’s the MPK. I have the midi going out of the MPK into the Motif midi and it should just trigger when I hit the keys. Is there something I am missing with the MPK? Please let me know.
Thanks.

Bad_Mister - 01 December 2010 02:35 PM

Thank you for the reminder. Here is what I found:

You can control the Motif-Rack XS’s individual PARTS even when the “LAYER 1-4 PARTS” switch is set to ON (meaning the PARTS are set to the same basic receive channel) via MIDI if you can program System Exclusive messages from your controller. You will be able to control the following:

Peace, I am not looking for those types of things I am having an issue with just triggering the MOtif XS rack midi with my MPK 88 midi controller, could you help me out?

it will not trigger my Motif XS rack. Now my M Audio 25 will trigger, so it’s not the Motif it’s the MPK. I have the midi going out of the MPK into the Motif midi and it should just trigger when I hit the keys. Is there something I am missing with the MPK? Please let me know.
Thanks.

Sorry, I don’t know the MPK 88 - did you contact the company who makes it? Is that AKAI?

I will contact Akai then.

Bad_Mister - 15 June 2011 09:14 AM

Sorry, I don’t the MPK 88 - did you contact the company who makes it? Is that AKAI?

So you mean to tell me the MPK 88 by midi can’t trigger the sounds in the Motif? And that’s all I want is when I hit a key on the MPK the sound will trigger/play in the Motif. If I can’t trigger the sounds in the Motif the MPK is WACK!

I don’t mean to tell you anything. I simply do not how to work the AKAI Controller ... there is nothing extraordinary that needs to be done on the Rack XS side. If you are connected to the Motif-Rack XS directly via a MIDI cable, you only need to set the MIDI IN/OUT = MIDI

If you do not know how to set your controller to send MIDI that is what you need to find out. If your keyboard is set to use USB then you must connect to a computer to re-route the signal to wherever you want it to go. If you have your Rack XS connected to a computer via USB, then you need to set the MIDI IN/OUT = USB.

Hi,
the AKAI MPK line of controllers can control the Motif Rack XS via USB-MIDI or the MIDI out.  The catch is that to use the MPKs MIDI out ports you have to use an external power supply.  When using USB to power the MPK the midi out port is disabled.