Why is it that for all the super articulation gizmos, multi-layered samples, and 8 voice polyphony of the voices in the XF and XS, i still can’t hear realism in the majority of Yamaha’s sounds. Yes i hear a good resemblance in some of their sounds, but no where near an uncanny realism. Can anyone tell me why that is the case after all these years?
Fu_k that sh_t. It is pretty clear that Yamaha’s ideology of bullshit, lies, deceit, denial, and defiance, is all in the name of their bottom line. Can’t even argue with myself on that one, even if you want to call it their “marketing perogative” they clearly have neglected all potential users by way of deletions and omission of features in favour of their own genres and live musicians.
They talk out of their arse, thus the bullshit, tell us they have listened to the feedback when the really haven’t, thus the lies, pretend they have given us the best sound, thus the deceit, deny that certain features are necessary or needed and claim they are giving us the best they’ve got according to their resources, when in fact they have stripped certain features while simultaneously drip feeding us with small incremental features that are way behind time even though those features have long been available and ultra cheap, thus the denial, and willfully and intentionally do not complete the mission, thus the defiance.
Three months before the XF was announced, Yamaha put up the price of their XS here in Australia by $1000, yep, can you believe that you guys, not down! But up! thats right, as if the $4,500 price tag before that wasn’t an absolute price gouging scam to begin with.
Do you see the arrogance and greed that you people are buying into? They treat a first world country like Australia as if we are second rate citizens just because our wages are twice that of the average American wage, even though our dollar is nigh on parity with the US.
All these antics Yamaha are using to clamour for extra money are only serving to alienate and push people away. Yamaha! I’ll give your thick heads a hint. If you thought the XS was already doing good with sales, it would have sold twice as much if you got your head out of your arses and cut the crap. The true nature of the situation is that you are decreasing your profits while obviously not realizing it, effectively biting of your nose to spite your face because your pride and greed has blinded you, and so one would naturally conclude that Yamaha is not as fu_king smart as they think they are, but in reality a bunch of morons, especially the US dickheads who are landing us with this situation and screwing up like Americans usually do when something big happens.

Here’s alternative B people. The Akai MPC 5000.
No it’s not a fu_king hip hop or R&B;production tool, or a groovebox. Think about it, it’s a fully fledged workstaion without keys dickheads, so just add a midi controller and you have a truly portable workstaion.

Get this:
-64 track sequencer, yes i said 64 idiothead
-Grid record, pattern chain record, step record, piano roll record, loop over-dub record
-960 ppqn resolution sequencer
-80 gigabyte, 8 track hard disk built in and set up for streaming instrument and vocal recordings
-Knobs and sliders everywhere
-690mb’s of “uncompressed” top notch dope fu_king sounds that exceed the quality of the XF
-Master EQ and multiband compressor that both sound superior to the Yamaha offering
-20 voice (3 oscillators per voice) virtual analog synth “built in” that can be used and assigned any way you want, and it sounds off this fu_king planet, the real deal and phat as sh_t, i’m not joking...You can get a tiny taste at MPC 5000: Scoop Deville on youtube...listen to the bro commenting in the back ground at exactly 3.08 seconds
-Top notch Arp included
-Built in CD drive for loading sh_t and burning tracks on board
-Ten outputs, plus ADAT lightpipe, plus a phono Input for your record playing decks, plus XLR inputs with phantom power, plus digital in/out, plus USB 2.0, and more
-loop-crossfade in the sample edit list
-slice and dicing tools mixed with auto real time tempo adjustment sent from heaven itself
-Filters that make the XF sound like a playschool toy, i am talking off the planet fu_king phat guys
-64 mb’s sample ram standard, expandable to a more than adequate 192 mb’s
-A better sounding reverb than Yamaha’s and a more than adequate four stereo buses, which can have 2 stereo effects running on each bus

Why do the MPC acoustic sounds, whether trumpet or electric pianos, sound so much better than Yamahas strangely artificial sound. Have a listen people

Man, it is hard to please everyone and that is why you have options, I mean if you don’t like Yamaha just buy another brand. In my opinion Motif is the best Keyboard out there a little expensive, yes, but the gear pays off.

It’s a nice little drum machine/sampler and HD recorder with an Alesis VA synth thrown in.

I imagine the fooly sic DJ forums are complaining that it doesn’t have a turntable.

Zoom probably makes something cheaper.

General:

* Display:  240 x 128 dot graphic LCD w/back light
* Memory Card Slot:  Compact Flash (The size of the compact flash card that MPC5000 can handle is from 32MB to 2GB)
* Dimensions (W x D x H):  18” x 16 1/16” x 3 3/8” (6 7/8” with screen at maximum height)
* 406.4mm x 407.98mm x 85.7mm (174.6mm with screen at maximum height)
* Weight:  18.2 lbs
* Power Supply:  Internal, auto switching, 110-240V, 50-60Hz
* Power Requirement:  50W

Sound Generator

* Sampling rate:  44.1kHz
* Memory capacity:  64MB standard, expandable to 192MB
* Recording time:  12m 48sec. (64MB, MONO), 38m24sec. (192MB, MONO)
* Memory expansion slot:  1 x for optional EXM-E3
* Data format:  16-bit linear
* Polyphony:  64
* Dynamic filtering:  1 State Variable Filter per voice (up to 8 pole, depending on type)
* Filter types:  LOW PASS, BAND PASS, HIGH PASS, BAND BOOST, BAND STOP, ANALOG MODELING, VOCAL FORMANT
* Preset sound memory:  16 MB
* Number of programs:  128

Effects

* Effects:  4 stereo busses with 2 stereo effects per buss, and Master effect
* Master effect:  4 band EQ, Compressor

Sequencer

* Maximum events:  100,000 notes
* Resolution:  960 parts per 1/4-note
* Sequences:  99
* Tracks per sequence:  64
* MIDI output channels:  64 (16 channels x 4 outputs)
* Song mode:  20 songs, 250 steps per song
* Drum pad:  16 (velocity and pressure sensitive)
* Drum pad banks:  4
* Sync mode:  MIDI clock, MIDI Time Code
* Transport Controls:  MIDI Machine Control

Inputs/Outputs

* Record input (L and R):  MIC/ 1/4-inch Combo x 2 balanced -40dBu, input impedance 11k ohms; RCA with PHONO preamp,
* Max. Input level:  +10dBu
* Digital RCA-pin x 1 S/PDIF
* Stereo output (L and R):  1/4-inch phone x 2 balanced +11dBu, output impedance 1k Ohms,
* Max. output level:  +22dBu
* 8 individual outputs:  1/4-inch phone x 8 balanced +11dBu, output impedance 1k Ohms,
* Max. output level:  +22dBu
* Phones output:  1/4-inch stereo phone x 1, 200mW / 100 ohms
* Digital output:  RCA-pin x 1 S/PDIF
* ADAT Optical:  x 1 (8 Channels)
* MIDI inputs:  5-pin DIN x 2
* MIDI outputs:  5-pin DIN x 4
* USB:  Slave connector x 1, USB MASS STORAGE CLASS support
* (Windows 2000/Me/XP or later version, or Mac OS 9.x/10.x or later version. )
* Footswitches:  1/4-inch x 2
* Standard accessories:  Power cable, Operator’s manual

Options

* EXM-E3:  128MB expansion memory card (Upgrades unit to 192MB total)
* CDM-25:  CDR/DVD Drive

It amazes me how much energy you’re putting into fighting motif series, you got to be working for korg or roland… LOL

Of course foleycore missed the most obvious advantage of the MPC line.  You can “bling it out” and wear that $hit as jewelry, so you let your peeps know what’s for REAL.

Can you imagine an XF8 as a Bling Ring?  Hell no you can’t.  But you can put an MPC Bling Ring on EVERY finger!  Hard core!  Or, as we say on the streets: “Foley Core… 7!”

I mean the fol-ster could have spared us the entire rant by just showing a picture of the bling and writing “What’s up now, Motif?” and it would have gotten his point across clearer.

But no worries fol, I got your back.

By the way, that $hit comes in GOLD too!  Word!

Jive Talking Robot - 06 September 2010 10:17 AM

Of course foleycore missed the most obvious advantage of the MPC line.  You can “bling it out” and wear that $hit as jewelry, so you let your peeps know what’s for REAL.



Can you imagine an XF8 as a Bling Ring?  Hell no you can’t.  But you can put an MPC Bling Ring on EVERY finger!  Hard core!  Or, as we say on the streets: “Foley Core… 7!”

I mean the fol-ster could have spared us the entire rant by just showing a picture of the bling and writing “What’s up now, Motif?” and it would have gotten his point across clearer.

But no worries fol, I got your back.

By the way, that $hit comes in GOLD too!  Word!

Jive… what exactly are you insinuating my this post?  I’d really really like to know....

^^^Guy walks in to a Motif XF forum with the expressed intent in bashing the product in thread after thread.  In this case he sets up a straw man argument comparing it to the MPC.  I love the MPC - it’s (partially) responsible for a culture and “sound” that is close to me - but let’s be real here.  We are talking about different tools in the tool kit.

So if people are going to make stupid comparisons I am going to post stupid replies, that’s all.  Surely we are allowed a little levity here?

I hope I didn’t offend anyone who invested heavily in the MPC jewelery line.  Now THAT would be the real tragedy in all this.

[Shorter Jive Talking Robot: I was going to make a crack about the Motif not being able to use the JJ OS, but I thought the bling rings made for better comedy.]

foleycore7 - 06 September 2010 07:48 AM

Why is it that for all the super articulation gizmos, multi-layered samples, and 8 voice polyphony of the voices in the XF and XS, i still can’t hear realism in the majority of Yamaha’s sounds. Yes i hear a good resemblance in some of their sounds, but no where near an uncanny realism. Can anyone tell me why that is the case after all these years?
Fu_k that sh_t. It is pretty clear that Yamaha’s ideology of bullshit, lies, deceit, denial, and defiance, is all in the name of their bottom line. Can’t even argue with myself on that one, even if you want to call it their “marketing perogative” they clearly have neglected all potential users by way of deletions and omission of features in favour of their own genres and live musicians.
They talk out of their arse, thus the bullshit, tell us they have listened to the feedback when the really haven’t, thus the lies, pretend they have given us the best sound, thus the deceit, deny that certain features are necessary or needed and claim they are giving us the best they’ve got according to their resources, when in fact they have stripped certain features while simultaneously drip feeding us with small incremental features that are way behind time even though those features have long been available and ultra cheap, thus the denial, and willfully and intentionally do not complete the mission, thus the defiance.



Three months before the XF was announced, Yamaha put up the price of their XS here in Australia by $1000, yep, can you believe that you guys, not down! But up! thats right, as if the $4,500 price tag before that wasn’t an absolute price gouging scam to begin with.
Do you see the arrogance and greed that you people are buying into? They treat a first world country like Australia as if we are second rate citizens just because our wages are twice that of the average American wage, even though our dollar is nigh on parity with the US.
All these antics Yamaha are using to clamour for extra money are only serving to alienate and push people away. Yamaha! I’ll give your thick heads a hint. If you thought the XS was already doing good with sales, it would have sold twice as much if you got your head out of your arses and cut the crap. The true nature of the situation is that you are decreasing your profits while obviously not realizing it, effectively biting of your nose to spite your face because your pride and greed has blinded you, and so one would naturally conclude that Yamaha is not as fu_king smart as they think they are, but in reality a bunch of morons, especially the US dickheads who are landing us with this situation and screwing up like Americans usually do when something big happens.

Here’s alternative B people. The Akai MPC 5000.
No it’s not a fu_king hip hop R&B;production tool. Think about it, it’s a fully fledged workstaion without keys dickheads, so just add a midi controllor and you have a truly portable workstaion.

Get this:
-64 track sequencer, yes i said 64 idiothead
-Grid record, pattern chain record, step record, piano roll record, loop over-dub record
-960 ppqn resolution sequencer
-80 gigabyte, 8 track hard disk built in and set up for streaming instrument and vocal recordings
-Knobs and sliders everywhere
-690mb’s of “uncompressed” top notch dope fu_king sounds that exceed the quality of the XF
-Master EQ and multiband compressor that both sound superior to the Yamaha offering
-20 voice (3 oscillators per voice) virtual analog synth “built in” that can be used and assigned any way you want, and it sounds off this fu_king planet, the real deal and phat as sh_t, i’m not joking...You can get a tiny taste at MPC 5000: Scoop Deville on youtube...listen to the bro commenting in the back ground at exactly 3.08 seconds
-Top notch Arp included
-Built in CD drive for loading and burning tracks on board
-Ten outputs, plus ADAT lightpipe, plus a phono Input for your record playing decks, plus XLR inputs with phantom power, plus digital in/out, plus USB 2.0, and more
-loop-crossfade in the sample edit list
-slice and dice and real time tempo tools sent from heaven itself
-Filters that make the XF sound like a playschool toy, i am talking off the planet fu_king phat guys
-64 mb’s sample ram standard, expandable to a more than adequate 292 mb’s
-A better sounding reverb than Yamaha’s and a more than adequate four stereo busses which can have 2 stereo effects running on each one

Why do the MPC acoustic sounds whether trumpet or electric pianos sound so much better than Yamahas strangely artificial sound. Have a listen people

Foleycsore 7,

I’m glad to see they let you back into the building.  After
your last profanity-laced insult-laden post, I thought for sure
they would de-activate your “SUBMIT” button.  KEYFAX people…
I’m impressed.  Long live freedom of speech. :)

We believe that the vast majority of people here in the Motif community are smart enough to make up their own minds about things that are posted and whether those opinions expressed by individual posters are correct or even relevant to another person’s musical endeavors.

Although we will ban people for expressly obscene language and for personal attacks on other posters, we try to leave the community as open as possible and let the community police itself.  This is your forum, use it wisely.

And what is more. I don’t know how there are so many people here wasting their time trying to argue against a nonsense post (specially from this user)

Yamaha_US - 06 September 2010 03:13 PM

We believe that the vast majority of people here in the Motif community are smart enough to make up their own minds about things that are posted and whether those opinions expressed by individual posters are correct or even relevant to another person’s musical endeavors.

Although we will ban people for expressly obscene language and for personal attacks on other posters, we try to leave the community as open as possible and let the community police itself.  This is your forum, use it wisely.

Yamaha US,

Here, Here… :)

jc

alejandro - 06 September 2010 03:42 PM

And what is more. I don’t know how there are so many people here wasting their time trying to argue against a nonsense post (specially from this user)

^^^Ergo the bling rings.

Yamaha_US: I demand to know when Yamaha will release Motif XF bling rings.  You guys are falling behind in this regard.

Also, you should have the Motif change my baby girl’s diapers.  Kurzweil’s VAST can do this… in 32 layers no less!!!!… so what is Yamaha going to do about that?

Also, please put a “write my song for me” button on the XF.  Band-in-a-box has had this for years. 

Finally, a place on the XF to release doves when I hit the crescendo of my Yanni-esq jams would really round things out nicely.

“Wait for it… wait for it… and… RELEASE THE DOVES!”

Make it so!

Yours truly, JTR.

alejandro - 06 September 2010 03:42 PM

And what is more. I don’t know how there are so many people here wasting their time trying to argue against a nonsense post (specially from this user)

Alejandro,

SHhhh...In this country we have a saying, “The wheel that
squeaks, gets the grease”.  If Foleycore7 and others like him
squeak long enough and loud enough, we may all get some grease.
We just have to hope it’s in the right place. LOL.:)

jc

Unfortuantly Foley’s squeaking wheel is attached to the wrong car, so ain’t nothing getting greased.  He wants a utilty truck to ALSO be a sports car that can off road AND transform in to a robot.  So he can squeak all he wants, but it won’t get him anything but more Yanni pictures.

In fact, here’s one I keep in my wallet.  You know, “for the ladies.”

We can’t promise the Motif Bling Rings, but we are now definitely looking at the sparkly black Yanni shirts as giveaways !  Comes with a fake moustache, too .

Haha… well, Winter NAMM is just around the corner… you’d make quite the splash if a Yanni shirt & Stash was part of the Yammy SWAG Bag.  “Motifate your Inner Yanni”.  Now that would MOVE PRODUCT…

(OR it may move people far away from the Yamaha booth.  On second thought, free “Yanni apparel” may not be such a hot idea.  Keep the free ‘stash though… America right now has a ‘stash deficit.).