I’ve read a lot of post about XF, but few says something like “Wow!! When it will be available I’ll buy It!!!”. So I think we all were expecting something different… Yamaha had probably to release a new product for marketing but with the crisis this is what they can have done… If we think about Korg Triton, Triton Studio and Triton Extreme we can see a synth engine used for about 10 years, we probably should not be so disappointed about XF. Much of us are satisfied by their XS, it’s a excellent music tool and we probably should use it instead compare it with new products (expecially with the same sound engine).
It would be right and commercially correct that Yamaha continued XS support and new libraries and updates release. A workstation today it’s an expensive alternative to virtual instruments, so Yamaha should help us to keep updated our investment. If I knew that some software had a bad update support I’d probably look for something other, so is the same for my hardware.

Hi All,
Speaking for myself, I DO like the XF. I find the model to be feature specific with upgrades that I dont use enough to warrant an upgrade at this current time. But my interest and skill are always evolving. Some day, one may sit NEXT to my trusty steed, my XS. For now, its just not my cup of tea.
And, I can still sit down and enjoy my XS without loathing from “obsolete product remorse”.
Im glad it wasnt some monster of an upgrade from the XS. My XS8 is less then a year old. I would have had that, “Sucker!” feeling. You know, when you buy something and after its out of return age, some killer updated model of the same product comes out unexpectingly. Its worse when you have done your homework and cant find even a wiff of a new model coming out.
I did suspect something with Yamaha XS as Guitar Center cut thier prices recently on the XS. But the new OS update a few months ago threw me off.
I hate seeing new revolutions of high end products released till Im financialy prepared and have exhausted the enjoyment of the model I own, ie my M08 to the XS. That was awsome!
Peace
-Dez

g.nieddu, I fear that many of those who seem not happy with the XF
in fact were not waiting for a new synth at all.
If everybody were content, this place would only be an exchange of
knowledge which of course would trample upon the principle of easy
chatting and moaning.

Now, let’s start to twaddle for the forthcoming Motif USX.
Mention your demands, gentlemen (and ladies).

;JOOP!

When the iPhone G4 came out, people lined up to buy it, then they lined up to return it because of the antena problem. My choice is to wait after the September 7 release and see what happens with the new XF units. If you can wait even longer, the music stores just before Christmas, will give package deals with the XF units. It’s the usual way to do business…

Pleasure…

sciuriware - 08 August 2010 02:42 PM

g.nieddu, I fear that many of those who seem not happy with the XF
in fact were not waiting for a new synth at all.
If everybody were content, this place would only be an exchange of
knowledge which of course would trample upon the principle of easy
chatting and moaning.

Now, let’s start to twaddle for the forthcoming Motif USX.
Mention your demands, gentlemen (and ladies).

;JOOP!

Right but a month ago some guru fed our expectations and with the release of new CPs a lot of us were waiting for something more… I said that XF is a natural evolution of XS series, and I was not waiting for something new, but I want underline again that we need more support from Yamaha. Let’s see what clavia is doing with nordelectro and stage series, new free fantastic libraries, while we get Xpand samples, hundred of Mb of samples, made, in my opinion, without a real idea of what we really need but great for marketing… Now I’m spending a lot of hours to create a new Fender Rhodes patch with new samples, but I would had spent 150 $ to have a pro library from Yamaha and I probably would do the same for Hammond and other vintage machines.
Thank you for your quote

There will be lots of new support coming for both the XS and the XF coming from both third parties and from Yamaha.

We already mentioned that in the XF answers thread.

Specifically there is a bank based on some of the Easy Sounds libraries including Phat Analog ( vintage moog and other analog synths) and Organ Sessions which is the Hammond you mentioned.

Yamaha_US - 08 August 2010 06:14 PM

There will be lots of new support coming for both the XS and the XF coming from both third parties and from Yamaha.

We already mentioned that in the XF answers thread.

Specifically there is a bank based on some of the Easy Sounds libraries including Phat Analog ( vintage moog and other analog synths) and Organ Sessions which is the Hammond you mentioned.

Thank you for the information, it will be hard to wait for them… Something about Rhodes MKI or MKII? XS/XF sound and FX engine would give us great vintage sounds,,, XS ROM electric pianos sound good, but are too clean and perfect…

Yamaha_US - 08 August 2010 06:14 PM

There will be lots of new support coming for both the XS and the XF coming from both third parties and from Yamaha.

Thanks again for continuing the support of the XS.....I’m one of those that decided to hold on to this model and truly appreciate the extended support....I was playing around throwing parts together last evening and it truly is a great instrument....I also have “other” keyboards too but I can’t ever imagine a day without a Yamaha....ZR

The simple fact is Yamaha wants to give as as little as possible for as much money as the can garner out of us, simple economics really! They claim to be interested in giving us what we need and listening to us, but all they do is throw sh_t in our face and say “Eat that, what other choice do you have buddy boy!” After three stinking long hardarse fu_king years and this is there answer?? What? are the slit eyed goons at head office in Japan a bunch of fu_king shogun dimwits with there heads up there arse or something? My God! I mean, there was so much that could have been done and it could have been here ten years ago as we all know too fu_king well, but i would have thought that the XS successor was going to be something that little bit special.  In 2010, this XF is an unspeakable act of greed and defiance. The US price will be $2,400 plus the obligatory memory card of course just puts icing on their skum sucking money plate. Guess what? That means it’s gonna be $4,800 in Australia plus $500 for a memory card, and you need two of those of course (Get me that fu_king sniper rifle someone!). Can’t yamaha handle the fact that Aussie wages are twice that of the yanks. They decide our wages are better so they might as well pilfer it out of us. Every Aussie knows our dollar is currently worth 94 cents american, so what the fu_k is up with this massive price gouging debarcle Yamaha??? Have you sh_theads there at Yamaha US heard of that saying “beyond a joke?” well you know and i know that you have been doing this same old sh_t for years now. The fact is that Yamaha has become conceited and arrogant, because you pack of fu_kwits keep giving them your money and they don’t feel the need to put in any effort to win a user base that keeps rewarding them with their money. It’s called taking you and us and everyone else for a fu_king ride. Me and a few others know what they are up to. But the rest of you are like all those fu_king zombies in the world that think there is no conspiracy and that the freemasons don’t rule and manipulate the whole western financial system to their own ends.
There is a livid hate and wrath in me towards Yamaha that would make me throw them into hell right now if i had the power. No doubt most of them are gonna end up there any way, and boy, just wait until they find out it’s a very real place, there’s gonna be some sorry arse Yamaha employees in that fu_king place.
It’s pretty much akin to Canon, Nikon, and Apple products really. The majority of dumbass fu_ks in this world keep buying their overpriced sh_t, despite the fact that there are competing brands offering even better quality with more features for half the price. Do your research dickheads, and stop promoting this arrogant haughty proud pigheaded high-minded stuck-up defiant derogatory conceited pompous heady little stunt of a merry go round Yamaha has got you all on.There are no words that can describe the absolute pure hatred i have for Yamaha. Rather than compromise a little bit and actually put in an effort to give us features with substance that are relevant and at a price that makes everyone happy within reason, what do they do? well ha ha ha same sh_t different bucket. Vote with your wallat idiots, or else you get what you deserve.

It’s because only the complainers are posting...squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.

I watched XF video presentation and didn’t find any complete NEW functions. Yes, more memory, another display. It’s just the same motif with little improvments. Correct me if I’m wrong?

foleycore7, did you move to Rumania or did you already live there?
;JOOP!

To answer the question of the topic, It not what users expected in their next workstation. Not to mention its also not an improvement over the previous model especially from a technological standpoint. If you ask me, the XF doesn’t even justify its price either. Simply put, its failing to deliver, without even being released, which isn’t a good look for Yamaha.
I don’t wanna add to the fire like I usually would but based on the new model and I’m sure many many people here would agree, the people up top (or the representatives in this case) didn’t listen to the input of its users. 
When it comes to the XF Im with foleycore7, not the best way to put it but I definitely understand where you’re coming from. If you ask me, everyone should making posts like him cause its a serious matter. 
The XF is good for what it is, nowhere near the best of anything. If you think otherwise you’re lying to yourself.

-Cell

I believe that we are lucky with YAMAHA which
(under the current crisis, which will go on for 4 more years!!!)
has made it to (say) an XS with most important wishes implemented.

Y would be crazy (and the continuity of this product line at stake)
when they would bet on a completely new line of synthesizers,
(with the chance that many customers don’t like the new line).

And about all those ‘wishes’ not met ......
...... remember the Ford disaster, or are you all too young?

;JOOP!

g.nieddu - 08 August 2010 10:58 AM

So I think we all were expecting something different

It’s mathematics for me. Added features minus added cost and existing features and functionality.

1-New User Bank I don’t need a new bank of sounds. No thanks, I can replace a user bank if needed.  I have 100 or more User voicse that I have yet to change from their original state…

1 -128MB flash drive installed What, and substract my mLAN card instead???  Uh, no thanks

Besides, I’m current autoload file is already close to 500MB

Much of the other things are a wash- new color, new GUI- nice but, not needed… Some features will be added to the XS in an update which I fully appreciate… But, at this point, Guitar Center or Sweetwater would have to really “make me an offer I can’t refuse” on a fully loaded XF (w/ Flash Boards and Firewire Card installed)...

foleycore7 - 09 August 2010 07:20 AM

It’s pretty much akin to Canon, Nikon, and Apple products really. The majority of dumbass fu_ks in this world keep buying their overpriced sh_t, despite the fact that there are competing brands offering even better quality with more features for half the price.

PS. What happened to FoleyCores from 0 to 6 - did they blow up due to dangerous leaks of anger?  LOL