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beechit
Total Posts: 61
Joined 01-28-2010 status: Experienced |
Is that it, Is that all the XF has to offer?
Oh dear, how disappointing.
The XS remains with me until the above are addressed ~:) |
miket156
Total Posts: 148
Joined 06-28-2004 status: Pro |
There are a number of people posting that unless Yamaha builds a synthesizer to their specifications, they won’t be buying an XF. You should check the prices of custom guitars for comparison. You’ll find that the Motif XF is a bargain compared to a $6,000 custom guitar with a shiny finish that has ONE SOUND. Get real. Mike T. |
synthlogic
Total Posts: 481
Joined 11-13-2008 status: Enthusiast |
Couldn’t agree more! |
radurobert
Total Posts: 794
Joined 03-05-2009 status: Guru |
that’s absurd . U can’t compare a keyboard with a 6000 $ custom guitar because that guitar is for big studios, big artist.. and a real guitarist with that guitar in his hands, is ten thousand times more useful than Motif guitar patches. But u can compare Motif with a 500 $ custom guitar...but again the guitar will win because is the real thing and will sound more natural.. |
Bad_Mister
Total Posts: 36620
Joined 07-30-2002 status: Moderator |
And serve you well it will, enjoy it!!! lol… |
jimandchris
Total Posts: 101
Joined 08-01-2002 status: Pro |
OUTSTANDING BAD MISTER. |
WesEXer
Total Posts: 336
Joined 10-29-2003 status: Enthusiast |
Indeed. Have flash prices even been LISTED yet? If it were legit gripes about what’s “wrong” with the current machine that’d be fine, but whining about using flash instead of a flashdrive (Though an interesting concept) and the screen is kinda silly. I mean we’re talking 2 GB of flash rom here! Not 8 or 16 MB like in the past. You can effectively create an ENTIRE new synthesizer sound wise. The only thing I personally would have liked in that regard is more user banks to put all the new sounds you could have. 4 Banks will go quick! Someone like myself could REALLY have a ball converting the top AKAI libraries from the past ten years. EDIT: OK assuming this is right I just saw the price of the flash: FL1024M- $299 So that’s about $600 for 2GB of flash RAM. That’s pretty freakin steep! So if I were an XF buyer, I’d certainly just buy one and see how long it takes to fill one up. |
kday
Total Posts: 401
Joined 02-17-2004 status: Enthusiast |
I heard some relevant complaints before but this one has got to be the silliest one yet. The new XF is gonna be the bomb what the heck you folks are talking about? Yamaha added 2 gigs of superior flash rom which is better than potential problematic hard drives. Hard drives fail get read and write errors and require much higher maintenance. Flash Rom non of that. Now a usb port for ext drive would solve that problem right? Now the question to Yamaha is this, does the XF supply a usb port to connect an ext Hard Drive to save and load sounds to because folks wish Yamaha should have made a way that sounds can be saved to a hard drive, totally disregarding that Flash Rom option, but I don’t know if they demand it to be inside the board instead of outside the board. So does it save to hard drives for the customers? |
chilly
Total Posts: 738
Joined 05-05-2008 status: Guru |
Haha, i have a bass guitar from Warwick wich is very expansive too.
p.a.
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miket156
Total Posts: 148
Joined 06-28-2004 status: Pro |
Hard drives would be way too slow, same as over the counter USB flash drives. Anyway, that’s storage, not Flash-non volatile RAM. its also a good idea that Yamaha is controlling what is put in the XF because if Yamaha allowed 3rd party flash memory, the first time it choked or failed, guess who gets the tech support call. Yeah Chilly I know a little about custom guitars. The bottom line is Yamaha can’t build a synth for everyone that has this idea or wants that feature. You have to decide if you can work with what it has and take it from there. Cheers, Mike T. |
wildpaws
Total Posts: 300
Joined 11-23-2004 status: Enthusiast |
Really?? How come I’ve not had to replace my SY77 in 21 years?
DX7IIFD, SY77, SY99, Hammond C3, Steinway L, etc. |
synthlogic
Total Posts: 481
Joined 11-13-2008 status: Enthusiast |
The XS is great, the XF is even better. Nothing more to see here, let’s move on. |
DmitryKo
Total Posts: 1483
Joined 07-25-2002 status: Guru |
He was talking about 2.5” or 1.8” (Solid State Drive) SATA-600 hard disks, which have a sequential read spead of more than 300 Mbytes/sec. These are basically high-performance flash drives which offer vastly better latency and better read speed, and have no moving parts that can sustain accidental fall damage. A modern 64 Gbyte SSD drive should load a 2 GB RAM bank in less than 6 seconds, and will cost 4 times less than two Yamaha 1 GB flash memory options. You won’t get this speed from any kind of USB or FireWire, you need to use internal SATA or external eSATA interface.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=454&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=5
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Rob'n
Total Posts: 153
Joined 10-30-2007 status: Pro |
Just a nice story:
As we came to the gig I noticed I left my USB stick with my custom samples at home, bummer...I had to reprogram my sounds quickly.
Touché! (but I still don’t have a couple of K euro to spend on a new synth :-) ) |
WesEXer
Total Posts: 336
Joined 10-29-2003 status: Enthusiast |
He was talking about 2.5” or 1.8” (Solid State Drive) SATA-600 hard disks, which have a sequential read spead of more than 300 Mbytes/sec. These are basically high-performance flash drives which offer vastly better latency and better read speed, and have no moving parts that can sustain accidental fall damage. Yup, this is one of those elephants in the room if you know about technology. The general public isn’t hip to these drives though, so maybe that’s why Yamaha chose not to go this route? OR it’s a control/profit thing? OR they’d have to add an SATA controller and support for it (Probably This). |
tbosco
Total Posts: 119
Joined 08-05-2010 status: Pro |
So by comparison, I can get a new XF7 for nearly a GRAND less than what I paid for my SY99 18 years ago. That’s pretty cool! |