So I’ve been trying to find a way to program my mox8 to use seperate knobs for both piano volume and a pad volume. Every forum ive seen people have been explaining its possible but don’t give the steps to actually do it. On the moxf’s it is as easy as pressing two buttons simultaneously. I purchased an FC7 foot controller hoping that would be more simple but it only has given me more headaches. Can anyone explain how this is done? Using the knobs would be more helpful to the other piano players at my church but if we have to use the foot controller it would work fine as well. I have narrowed it down to setting this up in master mode but when i adjust the volume knob i assigned it too it influences both parts (piano and pad).

Thank you for any help!

mamornea - 08 April 2016 11:08 PM

So I’ve been trying to find a way to program my mox8 to use seperate knobs for both piano volume and a pad volume. Every forum ive seen people have been explaining its possible but don’t give the steps to actually do it. On the moxf’s it is as easy as pressing two buttons simultaneously. I purchased an FC7 foot controller hoping that would be more simple but it only has given me more headaches. Can anyone explain how this is done? Using the knobs would be more helpful to the other piano players at my church but if we have to use the foot controller it would work fine as well. I have narrowed it down to setting this up in master mode but when i adjust the volume knob i assigned it too it influences both parts (piano and pad).

Thank you for any help!

You don’t say what Mode you are in, so I am going to go with PERFORMANCE...since you are only talking about (2) PARTS is your post.

From Bad_Mister (in This Thread):

“what I want to do simply stated is a layered performance of piano part one; and strings part two, such that the knobs will control the volume of at least part 2”

[Bad_Mister]:
“See, that’s a realistic use case. Playing the piano and controlling the strings is easy. You don’t need to do any of what the article is talking about.

Hope that helps.” [BM}

While this doesn’t exactly give you (2) side-by-side knobs...one for each PART volume in real time...it allows you to either set up the volume knob for (1) PART and the FC7 for the other PART, OR...it allows you to cycle through the PARTS as described above, by choosing them with a numbered PART button, and then adjusting the volume for that PART accordingly.

I appreciate the response! Even though i was able to follow your instructions to the map, the foot controller still acts as a master volume for both parts. Im not sure what i am doing different. For live services i have switched back and forth between parts and modified volume that way. But this is time consuming and also the other pianist in the church don’t even know that much. Yamaha made a huge mistake making it this difficult where the motif had individual sliders. Is there any other way that might work?

mamornea - 09 April 2016 12:14 AM

...the foot controller still acts as a master volume for both parts. Im not sure what i am doing different....

Did you read the FC7 setup by Bad_Mister?  It is pretty much step by step, and it is exactly how to take away the FC7 Expression[Volume] control from one of the PARTS:

“In your Performance
Press [EDIT]
You can select the Part to edit by touching [1] or [2] this allows you to see PART parameters
Press [F5] RCV SW (Receive Switch)
Set the Piano Part to ignore Expression by clearing the EXP box
Set the Strings to receive Expression by marking the EXP box”

Press [STORE]....

mamornea - 09 April 2016 12:14 AM

...Is there any other way that might work?

You mention using Master Mode in your first post.  You mention both PARTS being addressed together by a single volume control.  It appears you have partial knowledge of setting up Master Mode Zone control with the knobs as volume controllers.  The aspect you may be missing is that the piano and the pad must be on separate MIDI channels...and separate Zones...to be volume-controlled individually.

Do you know how to set PARTS to separate Zones and separate MIDI channels in Master Mode?

Yes i followed his steps exactly but it didn’t work. I may have to do a factory reset becuase i cant think of a reason it isnt working other than a software issue.

I have spent most of the time in performance mode but if I understand correctly this needs to be done in master mode to be accomplished. I was able to follow someone else’s steps and designate the knobs for volume but belive your right. I dont know how to set each part into seperate midi channels. how exactly is that done?

mamornea - 09 April 2016 08:42 AM

I have spent most of the time in performance mode but if I understand correctly this needs to be done in master mode to be accomplished.

No, not true, you can do this in Performance Mode. Make sure that with part you are editing you are unchecking EXP and not Volume.

Correct I know that. But in order to assign the knobs to volume for each part requires you to be in Master Mode, correct?

mamornea - 09 April 2016 04:20 PM

Correct I know that. But in order to assign the knobs to volume for each part requires you to be in Master Mode, correct?

Yes, correct.

Part of the problem is, you introduced two different methods of controlling the volume of two PARTS in your first post.  Unfortunately, the mash-up of discussing separate methods simultaneously can give rise to overlap and confusion.

In one of your recent posts, you said you followed Bad_Mister’s step-by-step to get the FC7 and the Volume knob to each control a PART, and it did not work.  You then went on to say perhaps you need to be in Master Mode to accomplish that successfully.

stoneb3 then pointed out that no, you do not need to be in Master Mode to set up the FC7 pedal + Volume Knob (2)PART solution.

Now, having said that, yes there IS a Master Mode solution that will get you (4) side-by-side knobs for Volume control.  If you want to pursue the Master Mode solution, you will need to carefully follow a specific set of instructions and settings.  It may seem complicated at first, but like most solutions to Yamaha Work Station setups, once you get familiar with the process, it begins to seem less daunting (Full disclosure, I own an XF...not a MOX...but stand by this statement!).

Among other things, you will need to become familiar with setting ZONES to separate MIDI channels, as you inquired about above.  As you will see, sometimes this is done for you, but sometimes you must do it yourself, so it is important to understand that it must be done one way or the other.

Fortunately, an Article has been written to walk you through this specific solution step-by-step.  You can reference it Here.

Yes, I understand how that was confusing. I tried separating the two methods by starting a new paragraph similarly to the post I was responding to but I should have been clearer.

While I am still unable to figure out the foot pedal method, I was luckily able to get the knob method working. My mistake was not originally saving the the Song as TEMPLATE but rather under the SEQ tab which I am pretty sure means “sequence.” But either way, the knob method is working! Thank you for your help!

One day I will master the MOX, eventually.

Thank you cmayhle. Yes, once again I’ve swam in the waters of confusion. I’m a terrible guesser.

Welcome to Motifator as well mamornea.

I ran across an issue while setting up the FC7 to blend in part two of a performance.  In the utility set up, my FC7 was defined as “volume” instead of “expression”.  In most modes, this did not make a difference, but for this application it was a critical setting.  In the edit mode, I turned off “exp” for part one and it works great.  Part one is unaffected by the FC7, but part two blends in as the pedal is activated.  Thanks for the help....tony