I have just successfully recorded all my tracks correctly (through the built in usb port) up to this point, the last one being an EP (the 4th Part/Voice in my Performance).

I now wanted to add another track (strings) and I simply edited the Performance by swapping out the EP with the correct string voice.

To hear how the Voice sounded (before recording) I hit play on my DAW and the strings started sustaining forever.

I stopped the sustaining by simply incrementing up to the next Voice and then going back to the previous voice.

I played along with the tracks correctly and the strings were responding correctly when I hit the sustain pedal at the appropriate moments.

So I’m ready to record, hit the record button and the strings start sustaining on their own again.

I immediately stop the sustaining (in the pre count) by incrementing the Voice up and then going back quickly to the correct Voice.

All is good while I’m recording, except that now the sustain pedal will not make the strings sustain at all.

What am I doing wrong?

Is it possible you’ve got some sustain data that is not correctly shutting off or is shutting off further down your song and you are not getting to that point for whatever reasons (further than the section you are working in maybe)

The point being that an off message is not being heeded because it is not there, so when you skip back to the start, the sound is still sustaining because it hasn’t been told NOT to sustain ...and you get a kind of overlapping blur of sound.

Make sure you’re on the right MIDI track and pull up the piano roll editor in Logic, then pull up the midi controller lanes (which is a little button in the bottom left hand corner of the piano roll with arrows on it) choose ‘sustain’ or ‘sustain pedal’ from the list and then (using the pencil) draw in or edit your sustain data so its shuts off at the right times and is off before you want it to be on!

Hi Phil!

Once I hit stop anywhere in the song, as soon as I hit play again, the strings start sustaining and won’t stop till I increment the Voice up and back down.

Same thing no matter where I engage record in any part of the song.

just made an edit, see if it helps

I’ll try it tomorrow.

Thanks and talk to you soon.

Jerry

Sounds like you have a MIDI routing issue. And you may be getting hung notes due to improper routing of clock data.

To really troubleshoot the issue you would need to tell use what you are doing. I have probably more experience with customer issues than most people would care to know (user errors, pilot errors, whatever you want to call them) and usually when attempting something like working with arpeggios and external devices it is easy to leave a setting that would work when recording but could have unwanted results on playback, particularly if you forget to change the configuration for “playback”

here’s what I mean… When attempting to use the arpeggiator what is not fully appreciated is that two things can trigger an arp:

1) You playing a note on the MOXF keyboard
2) MIDI data coming in from an external source ( like when you start playback of your DAW)

Please note that there is a separate setup for RECORDING Arps, and then a separate setting to playback the data generated by that arp phrase. Once you have recorded arp data to your DAW disable the clock connection, disable the ARP ON/OFF so that incoming notes play the sound, instead of triggering the arpeggio to play the sound (again). Notes come in trigger the arp, notes go out and are echoed back to the MOXF, and again trigger the arp, which sends notes out which are echoed back again to the MOXF.... Etc.,etc., etc.,

Any way suffice it to say, when attempt to do stuff with both the DAW clock and the MOXF clock unless you know to disable things, and have the proper settings to playback… Yes you may get hung notes or worse…

Hi Phil, Happy Holidays!

What I did was start with a Performance that had:

1) Drums (with an ARP) on Part One

2) Bass (with an ARP) on Part Two.

3) A FX (with an ARP) on Part Three.

4) Piano (with no ARP) on Part Four.

I then:
1) Assigned Part One to go out 1 & 2 on the MOXF usb out.
2) Assigned Part Two (panned to far left) to go out 3 on the MOXF usb out.
3) On my DAW Track 1 (a stereo track), I set the input to 1 & 2.
4) On my DAW Track 2 (a mono track), I set the input to 3.
5) Armed Track 1 & 2, hit record, and then recorded Track 1 & 2 at the same time.

The above was recorded with no glitches.

I then:
1) Assigned Part Four to go out 3 & 4 on the MOXF usb out.
2) On my DAW Track 3 (a stereo track), I set the input the 3 & 4 and changed the input on Track 2 to none.
3) Armed Track 3 and recorded it with no problem..

On the Performance, I then swapped out the EP with strings, using the same usb out assignment (3 & 4) and went into Track 4 on my DAW (the input set to 3 & 4) and armed the Track to record.

When I hit record, that’s when the sustaining notes started.

philwoodmusic - 11 December 2013 09:40 PM

Is it possible you’ve got some sustain data that is not correctly shutting off or is shutting off further down your song and you are not getting to that point for whatever reasons (further than the section you are working in maybe)

The point being that an off message is not being heeded because it is not there, so when you skip back to the start, the sound is still sustaining because it hasn’t been told NOT to sustain ...and you get a kind of overlapping blur of sound.

Make sure you’re on the right MIDI track and pull up the piano roll editor in Logic, then pull up the midi controller lanes (which is a little button in the bottom left hand corner of the piano roll with arrows on it) choose ‘sustain’ or ‘sustain pedal’ from the list and then (using the pencil) draw in or edit your sustain data so its shuts off at the right times and is off before you want it to be on!

Phil,

At my recording session last night, I
1) Went out the MOXF analog outs into a Focusrite Saffire Pro 24.
2) Recorded the strings on Track 4 of LPX (a stereo track with the inputs set to 1 & 2).

It recorded perfectly with no sustaining notes.

What did I do right/wrong this time?

Where is the note data Jerry?, is it on your MOXF or in your Logic session?

Since you mentioned Logic quite early on in your post, I assumed you were working from MIDI tracks within Logic but it appears you might not be, so what I said earlier, could be totally irrelevant.

If you haven’t got a MIDI routing issue as Bad_Mister suggested you may have...and you still really want to check what your sustain data is doing without replaying your string part into your MOXF again, export your string part as a MIDI file from your MOXF and load it up in your DAW and you’ll get something a lot easier to check visually.

Your String part was once an EP part so there is likely sustain pedal all over it.

if it checks out then at least you can eliminate it from your enquiry.

Since it is likely that you have your note data in your MOXF, I’d take a guess that BM is right though.

Phil,

1) The string sustaining only occurred when I played, from the same Performance,the substituted string Voice.
2) I sent/routed the strings out the MOXF usb channels 3 & 4 (same as the EP).

And PLEASE forgive this question (which I’m sure is a DUMB one!),
but I’m assuming that when I’m sending all the MOXF Parts out its built in usb port, I’m sending audio (and not MIDI).

I’m assuming that when I’m sending all the MOXF Parts out its built in usb port, I’m sending audio (and not MIDI).

The MOXF sends both MIDI and audio out via USB.

The MOXF sends both MIDI and audio out via USB. You are responsible for routing them. A stuck note is an indication that you have a serious problem with the routing situation.

The Yamaha Steinberg USB driver handles both MIDI communication via 5 MIDI ports but also your dual stereo (4CH) audio going into the computer, and a stereo signal output from the computer ... All via the single USB cable.

If you are synchronizing clocks of the DAW and the arpeggiators, you are using MIDI clock. What you are recording it would be hard for any to know beyond what you tell us. But telling the difference between MIDI and audio tracks should not be difficult.

Hell Phil, I have no idea what’s going on technically, much less if I’m synchronizing clocks of the DAW and the arpeggiators :-)

All I know is that I’ve got a Performance that has (3) ARPs going on within the Performance.

I first recorded, both at the same time, the Drum ARP and the Bass ARP to tracks one and two on LPX.

I armed both tracks on LPX, hit record, waited two measures and then started the bass line, which in turn started both the Drum ARP and Bass ARP.

Yeah, but you are just not understanding that you are providing no information about what you are recording because you don’t really know the difference between MIDI and audio.

Lets keep it simple: What type of tracks are you using in Logic Pro… it has two type of tracks. Audio tracks and MIDI tracks, if you cannot tell from looking at them, show a screenshot, please. Otherwise your confusion and amazement is just amazing in itself.

Phil, that’s just me :-)

They are all Audio tracks.

Bad_Mister,

Where’d you go?

Jerry