Besides the Motif, Motif Rack and ES series and S90 what other units will accept the PLG150VL card?  In other words are there some earlier products that can use the PLG150VL pref with the breath controller input.

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YAMAHA S80 has BC input and 2 PLG slots

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The products in the Modular Synthesis Plugin System were:  S80 (1999), S30 (2000), S90 (2002), S90ES (2005)
CS6X (1999), CS6R (1999)
Motif (2001), Motif Rack (2002), Motif ES (2003), Motif Rack ES (2004)

There were several MU-series XG products that also used the PLG boards; MU100, MU128, MU1000, MU2000

And there was a computer based PCI card SW1000-XG

Of course, the VL70-m is still a current product and is a standalone VL unit with its own BC/WX input - it does not use PLG board (at all) but is the VL engine in a standalone product.

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Seems like the older technology was a bit more advanced VL1 - VP1 and the new instruments like the XS don’t include the Virtual Acoustic.  The VL70m is a bit long in the tooth now.  After hearing the demo’s of the VP1 it seems like the whole industry took a bad turn 15 years ago of wanting ROM samples of real instruments instead of pushing the envelope of what seems like an amazing technology of life breathing physical modeling.  I have used the PLG150VL a bit but was looking for what might be the next technology step in that technology but seems Vl70m is the only marketed choice at the moment.  Hopefully someday Yamaha will introduce this as a VST instrument or polyphonic dream machine.

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The VL1 ($4995) and VP1 ($33,000) - yes, you could say they were a bit more advanced /forums/images/icons/smile.gif alt=

Both were introduced some 14-15 years ago! The VL70-m may be long in the tooth but it is a very strong tooth.

Hopefully someday Yamaha will introduce this as a VST instrument or polyphonic dream machine.

Did you miss this as well. There was a software VL - it was 8 units… to call it “polyphonic” was to miss the point… there is no such thing as a polyphonic horn (sic) so it was 8 monophonic units you could play at once. It utilitized all the resources of the computer to generate the tone engines…

Actually, it was never marketed (just like the VP1) just shown as proof of concept. The point is no one understands that you cannot have a “polyphonic” horn - or at least there are none to date… A horn is typically a single pipe that supports a single note. If you create an accurate physical model of a pipe it naturally produces 1 note. That is always going to be true.

Lesson learned: Keyboard players, mostly don’t get how horns (really) work. Proof: we sell more VL70-m’s to wind players!

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Agree, I understand the monophonic for reproduction of “real” instruments.  However the thought of some great polyphonic instruments that are new refreshing sounds with evolving components of formants, drums attacks, wood bodies much like the VP1 proof of concept machine is very appealing to me.  It just seems that the industry trying to perfect the sounds of things that existed years ago that probably in their own right sounded better then in their true forms.  B3’a clavs, tube amps, electric pianos, violins.  But we have them all in a single easy to use unit each with some compromise of the sound of the real thing.  If a unit like the VP1 existed today it would be the “next big thing”.  Another perfected sample based unit will never wow the industry.  Yamaha has the good for new heights for virtual acoustic new sounds.  I hope we see it someday.  Yamaha is an amazing company.

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“...wow the industry” ?

The XS is wowing the industry … but I know what you mean. But in industry terms “wowing” is based on sales - not the human reaction “Wow”. The VP1 at a estimated $33,000 made lots of people go “Wow!”, but that does not mean we would have sold many. And that is why it was not released.

The technology has to placed in a product that can capture a segment of the market from both a musical and financial point - that is reality. Sometime innovative products (with lots of wow) simply get overlooked… (and not just from Yamaha).

FS1R (just got a call yesterday from someone trying desparately to find one), it came and went before many really understood its full potential.

Rest assurded when the “next thing” comes along, Yamaha will most likely be a part of it… hopefully it can be recognized - it always comes from where you least expect it. That’s all I can say…

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Yup… The FS1Rs still pop up on auction sites from time to time… They still fetch pretty good coin for such an “Old” product.